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Family Forum: How Important Is The School Budget Vote?

As election day nears, parents share their thoughts on budget vote participation.

Residents across Long Island are preparing to vote on their school budgets and Board of Education candidates on May 17.

Prior to the big day, Patch is asking readers to weigh in on the importance of the public's participation in school budget votes and elections.

How important is it for parents to vote in school elections? Should all residents vote on the budget, regardless of whether or not they have children in the district?

Share your thoughts in the comment section below.

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Michael May 11, 2011 at 08:13 pm
The fact that we would lose all of our "wonderful" programs if we dont approve the budget is proof positive that the Sword of Damaclese is always hovering over the heads of the children. Perhaps by design? When cuts need to be made, the kids are always at the front of the line. Every year the refrain is always the same...."Its only X.XX%"
Further, who moves in to the neighborhood is of no concern to me. My primary concern is my own ability to stay.
Don May 11, 2011 at 08:57 pm
I received a post card from the Smithtown School District that showed the proposed and contingency budgets for 2011 and the amounts were exactly the same! Does anybody know anything about this?
Donna May 11, 2011 at 09:45 pm
As Don said..the Smithtown School District's contingency budget and proposed budget are exactly the same..at a 4.9% tax levy. So why bother to vote? Either way that budget and tax levy is going through! This is just another way that these school districts shove these budgets down our throat.
Michael May 11, 2011 at 09:59 pm
Vote "NO" an send a message that you will not allow the Board to operate without accountability. They wont want to deal with a contingency budget
Susie Schlomann May 11, 2011 at 10:20 pm
My guess is that they aren't eager for thinking people to show up to vote. They? those who want to quietly shift the board from one that wants answers to tough questions & accountability, to a board that will rubber stamp the will of the unions. Edward Ehmann is leaving in a year, Joan Niles may also, as her contract is soon up, Mary Cahill is leaving....and I believe Mary Wilson, the District Clerk is looking at retirement, as well--most of the Admin going? Who do YOU want to fill those slots?
This budget and the referenda are not as crucial as is electing good Trustees.
Peter Verry May 11, 2011 at 10:26 pm
Shannon V. S.,
This isn't only for the Commack school district, this cross-publishes across four Patch sites: Smithtown, Kings Park, Hauppauge and Commack.
Mike Kaye May 11, 2011 at 11:07 pm
The reason why the Smithtown propsed budget and contingency budget numbers are the same is because the contingency budget number is based on a formula from the state, this year that number was somewhere in the $215 million range. The district thought this was TOO MUCH to ask of the taxpayers! They made some tough choices and came up with the $212 million budget. The contingency budget therefore is the same number since it is LESS THAN what they could have asked for. Please do everyone a favor and become INFORMED - if you do not know what is going on then stay home and DO NOT VOTE!
Michael May 11, 2011 at 11:23 pm
Mike, so, basically what you are saying is "Three cheers for only a 4.9% increase!" Should a budget be voted in simply because its lower than what it COULD have been? From where I sit, an increase of roughly THREE times the rate of inflation is simply unacceptable, as it should be to most fiscally responsible voters. When is enough enough?
Kathy Halley May 11, 2011 at 11:47 pm
Michael we have had a 0% increase for the past two years. What more do you want? State aid has been cut tremendously. If you want quality education in Smithtown, you have to pay for it; otherwise move! If you want to maintain the value of your house then you must be willing to give to education. People move into a community for the school district, don't deflate my town. Everyone has to do their part, not only the administration, the board, the teachers, but the community as well. This is a combined effort, not a oh let's see what the board can do for me effort. We are all in this together. When the superintendent said that we all needed to help out, he meant the community as well.
DLee May 12, 2011 at 12:01 am
I received a post card in the mail the other day from my State senator. He applauded the fact that the State senate has done such a wonderful job balancing the budget and cutting taxes.
But money for public education has to come from SOMEWHERE, and if the state is not going to fund it - guess who is? WE ARE! And how are we going to do it? Through our property taxes! And who do we blame? School district administrators and teachers. Wake up, people.
Michael May 12, 2011 at 12:30 am
Plenty of blame to go around, but one thing is certain, the system is broken. It has become an insatiable cash guzzling machine. There are two simple questions to be asked here. "Is the situation we are working with now sustainable for the future? " And "How much is enough?"
Just A Mom May 12, 2011 at 12:58 am
The proposed budget in Smithtown is actually LESS than the contingency budget. In an article in the 5/5 S'town News, Curt and Phyllis Lader commented that the reason the proposed budget is $3 mil. less than contingency is to pay for the $3 mil. in building aid NYS just took back from the district. What sacrifice has the Supt. made? He's covered up the truth, made light of this terrible predicament, raised our kids' class sizes, proposed taking away transportation and sports, dumped the problem onto Sens. Flanagan & Fitzpatrick, all the while his contract was extended for another year with a nice increase for him.
fedup May 12, 2011 at 12:24 pm
vote no enough is enough people are leaving because of the taxes
Mike Kaye May 12, 2011 at 02:50 pm
Michael I was not saying - great I get to have a large tax increase. What I was saying is that people need to become INFORMED and then make choices based on information. I do not think people should vote yes just because they think this is what they are suppose to do, nor do I think people should vote no just because there is an increase in their taxes. People should start going to meetings or at least log on and read the minutes from the meetings to know what was discussed. Everyone is entitled to their opinion - but that opinion should be based on facts. If everyone just goes and votes without the background information on what they are voting on then they are not doing anyone any favors and should stay home. Too many people just say yes in hopes of continuing they way we have (which is not necessarily what is going to happen) and too many people vote no just so they do not have an increase. This year voting no does nothing but limit how the budget gets spent on equipment and we get tagged as a district on "contingency" which generally does not look good for home values.
Michael May 12, 2011 at 05:19 pm
Mike,
I do go to meetings and I am informed. The most important thing I have learned is this: 75% to 80% of the budget, consisting of salaries and benefits, are locked in and are not open to discussion at budget time. These contracts are negotiated without community input and quite frankly, the community isnt even privvy to the position of the Board or union when negotiations are conducted. So, when I sit in a budget meeting and hear that unless the community approves X% budget increase, childrens needs will be cut, I get incensed. Most Boards are doing nearly nothing to curb the real wage growth that has existed for teaching professionals for more than a decade. And, as such, the only way to change things is to make the statement that the status quo is unacceptable. I believe that you are well informed, I have no question about that. The question I would like to see your answer to is "How do you feel about the fact that 75 to 80% of the budget you vote for is completely immune to your input, pro or con?" As a taxpayer, and as a voter, this is the single issue that I am focused on. Boards are not stupid. They know the leverage they have, i.e. your children. They have no crisis of conscience when it comes to using those children as a tool to muscle budget vote passage. Have you ever visited the website www.seethroughny.com? If you have not, I urge you to do so. It can be enlightening.
Jane May 12, 2011 at 06:20 pm
I couldn't agree more that everyone needs to get out and vote. Vote for the candidates that understand education while being financially responsible, candidates that understand WHO actually is employed by the district. Time for a change folks!
basil george May 12, 2011 at 07:39 pm
Vote NO to school budget and tax increases. The reality is this: We are ALL being squeezed. My last three annual raises -- a total of 8 percent -- were diverted to the union's health insurance escrow fund because management did not raise its share. We need a ceiling on pay for administrators and faculty and support people. The payouts to the last two superintendents were outlandish golden parachutes. Teachers are only working 180 school days and earning more than the community's mean income for workers committed to 260 work days. And the district's Commack Courier mailer was disingenuous by using boilerplate threats as possible cutbacks. Driver education? Let's turn right on redlining. Quality education will not prevent sliding home prices and flight from high taxes. The first lesson of quality education should be common sense. If taxpayers have no debt, no student loans, no equity loan, no credit-card debt, then vote YES. But if you have those burdens, why add another one?
Michael May 12, 2011 at 08:01 pm
Well said. They so desperately want us to believe that if not for them, our children would be doomed. The reality is that we are a community that actively parents our children. Without that, all the Blue Ribbons in the country are worthless. Hopefully people will wake up and question the "company line".
Lisa May 13, 2011 at 06:25 pm
I m tired of hearing from people that it s only X.XX , There are people out there who dont have jobs and cannot afford their mortage. The enrollment is down every year that is telling everyone that people are leaving Ny. I think we have to stop the spending and lavish salarys and benefits. Its time for the boards to start working for the taxpayer, they dont seen to get it.
Michael May 13, 2011 at 07:21 pm
Exactly Lisa. Expenditures are budgeted to rise 3.33% in Commack next year, but the increase in the Consumer Price Index was only 1.6%. When I hear people say that it s only X.XX%, I like to remind them that it was only X.XX% last year, the year before that, the year before that and on and on and on. They dont get it because its not their money. They dont know how to use the word "NO".
Kirt May 17, 2011 at 07:34 pm
@basil george
I'm not quite sure a 260 day work year is correct for the average person. I think it's more like 220-230. Say, 2 weeks vacation, federal holidays, sick days, yadda-yadda-yadda.
Kirt May 17, 2011 at 07:39 pm
@ Glenn
"It's a vote for ensuring school district employees are financially secure at the expense of your family's well being." - I'm not sure this is correct. The budget vote has nothing to do with contract negotiations. That is left up to elected officials (boe) to do. You might want to vote yes for the budget, but choose you very carfully the boe candidate that supports your interests.
Kirt May 17, 2011 at 07:43 pm
@ Mary Anne
"And who do we blame? School district administrators and teachers." - I'm not sure what you mean by this. Why are they to blame?
Karen May 19, 2011 at 02:09 pm
@Michael
do you have children attending schools?? if you do and you are so negative about education than why don't you "home school" , than you could run your child's education the way you see fit. I also want to know if you feel this way about the "bailouts" for the banks that we as taxpayers are also paying for and getting NOTHING in return. We bailout private sector companies who were financially irresponsible and we had NO choice. School districts are doing the best they can, and anyone who says teachers ONLY work a certain amount, please walk in their shoes!!
Michael May 19, 2011 at 02:30 pm
Karen
I do you have children attending schools. And if you read all my postings, you would see that im not against education, I am against the way its delivered on Long Island. The SYSTEM is broken. All of my posts have been backed up with facts. It is a verifyable fact that real wages for education professionals on long Island have been growing while the private sector has seen real wage erosion over the past decade. Further, pension costs for education profesionals have soared at an outlandish rate. Why? Because the State guarantees a very generous rate of return regardless of how the financial markets perform. The taxpayers must make up any shortfall. The private sector enjoys no such guarantee. Just ask someone that had a 401K during the financial crisis. These two components make up 75% to 80% of the average school budget on Long Island. The system is unsustainable, plain and simple. As for the "bailouts" for the banks, I was not in favor of bailing them out, but another fact that must be noted is that the Government has been divesting itself of its positions in those companies and in fact has been generating a positive return on its investment in most cases. So, while the term "bailout" has been a rallying cry for denegration of capitalism, they did in fact work as planned.
Kirt June 14, 2011 at 02:38 am
"It is a verifyable fact that real wages for education professionals on long Island have been growing while the private sector has seen real wage erosion over the past decade." Teaching is a civil servant job. One of the nice things is that when the market tanks, it doesn't immediately affect you. Then again, when the markets soar, don't hold your breath for a raise.
"These two components make up 75% to 80% of the average school budget on Long Island." - A school is a box with students and teachers in it. Why wouldn't 75 to 85% of the cost of education go to salaries? Where else is the money going to go? "Further, pension costs for education profesionals have soared at an outlandish rate." - During the "good" times, districts were paying out almost nothing towards their pension funds. Because of that lack of fiscal discipline, when the times went "bad", the districts were forced to raise steep taxes. How is that the fault of Sally the kindergarten teacher? I don't know Michael. I would love to blame everything on the teachers. It just seems like an over simplification. I'm just not buying it.
Michael June 14, 2011 at 03:24 am
kirt
you need to go back and reread my previous posts. I do not blame Sally the kindergarten teacher. You are mistaken. I also can not follow the logic of your post. Please clarify and use facts so that I may properly respond.
pam March 26, 2012 at 11:45 am
who are we kidding..when parents say "we have to vote yes or our children will suffer" well guess what our children always suffer and lose in the budget. read the budget lines and see where the cuts are always too the children in the mean time teachers, and administrators never seem to get cut there still getting there 5percent raises for lunch duty and cafateria duty. people should really read there budget and see where the cuts in the budget are. beside maybe the teachers should work more then 180 days year! smithtown school district is NOT that great. we just pay high taxes because people do not read the budget before voting!!!!
pam March 26, 2012 at 11:50 am
the quality of the education is not that great first of all! second of all, do you see all the people listed in smithtown that are behind on there property taxes and how many people are in foreclosure in YES WONDERFUL SMITHTOWN!
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