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Business Owners Seek Heavy Industrial Zoning on Old Northport Road

The Smithtown Planning Board is scheduled to hold a public hearing Wednesday night for a proposal which would change zoning for several parcels.

In an attempt to bring themselves into compliance, several businesses along Old Northport Road in Kings Park that have operated outside of the zoning codes allowed for that area are asking the Town of Smithtown to change them so that they may come into proper compliance.

Carlson Associations and several smaller business owners have filed applications seeking to change the zoning of their properties along Old Northport Road and Townline Road from light industrial to heavy industrial use. Their case will be heard by Smithtown Planning Board at an 8 p.m. public hearing on Wednesday.

Carlson Associates and multiple business partners filed an application with the Town of Smithtown on Jan. 19 seeking to change their residential R-43 and light industrial zoning to heavy industrial.

The application states: "Applicants are not proposing any changes to the existing non-conforming uses at this time. Petition is being made to bring to bring the exiting non-conforming use into conformity." 

Frank DeRubeis, Town of Smithtown's director of planning, said the properties and businesses along Old Northport Road have been in violation of the town's zoning code for several years. 

Carlson Associations and its fellow applicants, per their Jan. 19 application, said the current use of the land is for basic offices, construction equipment and masonry supplies storage, landscaping supplies, nursery supplies and a solid waste management facility.

The solid waste management facility, with a permit from New York State Department of Environmental Conservation, is allowed to accept:

  • uncontaminated concrete, asphalt, pavement, brick, soil, wood, land clearing debris, yard waste 
  • unadulterated wood, up to 25,000 yards per year used to make mulch
  • animal manure, up to 15,000 cubic yards per year
  • yard waste, up to 50,000 cubic yards per year to make mulch

Businesses operating off the properties include: Power Crush Inc., C. Weld, Outer Limits Excavation, Kings Park Ready Mix, Ted McCarthy Landscaping, Harris Precast and Michael Anthony's Landscaping. 

Many of these operations, while not legal under light industrial, would be permitted if the area was zoned heavy industrial. Other viable businesses under heavy industrial zoning - with permit or town board approval - include asphalt manufacturing, concrete product manufacturing, a foundry, licensed junkyards, sand and gravel mining, and trucking stations. 

Suffolk County Planning Commission has voted in favor of a change of zoning for Carlson Associates and the smaller businesses, by vote of 8-4, on April 4. Among those voting in favor was John Finn, representing the Town of Smithtown. 

It found that "the out parcel in the residential district may be a source of future conflict." The planning commission further advised the town to "study the issues of noise, light and safety prior to accepting conceptual site plans for zoning violation remedies." 

The applications along have stirred up . DeRubeis said the Town of Smithtown has received no plans for a power plant, and that a power plant would not require any change in zoning as public utility can be builty anywhere with town board approval. 

Kings Park and Commack residents have. DEC officials it has more than 30 complaints of odors in the area, and is investigating one of the businesses. 

One possible compromise to the years-long standoff, DeRubeis has offered, is his proposal to create a special exception permit that would allow these businesses a limited amount of heavy industrial use without rezoning the area heavy industrial. 

This proposal is before Smithtown Town Board, which has determined it would need to do an environmental impact review before voting on the proposal.

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Retired May 22, 2013 at 01:17 pm
Congrats to Jim and Steve, but most off all congrats to the Commack Community for having the wisdomRead More to elect them.
MJS May 22, 2013 at 10:10 am
Get ready Mary Jo, Dr. James, CTA, and PTA.. Change is Coming!
GM May 21, 2013 at 11:29 pm
Well run Gentlemen! Get some sleep now.... you guys have a lot of work to do.
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They change the name occasionally but they are and will always be TaxPac
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Simply stating that you are not aware of who you are supporting is ecactly why the rest of us areRead More relentless in our efforts to keep them out of our community. For the sake of your kids, your property value and future (both near and distant) research this Group. You will be shocked to read the Exact words used by the group you support in TaxPac literature. Then read about the effects of their policies on the communities the infiltrate. And how long it takes these communities to recover once they are all voted out of office.
Dawn-Marie Bailey May 21, 2013 at 04:45 pm
LaJa. First, I don't hide behind initials or some fake name. I can't take you seriously when youRead More won't reveal who you really are. Secondly, I am not part of any group whatsoever. I do not need others telling me how to think. There ARE citizens in this town who are not happy with the current board and their ways, who do not need to be part of an organization of some sort to try and initiate change. Finally, it's funny you accuse me of being a part of something that I don't even know what it is. I've never heard of TaxPac in my life.
Dawn-Marie Bailey May 21, 2013 at 08:18 am
Last night, I had quite the email exchange with members of the PTA Executive Committee. Not onlyRead More could they NOT provide me with an answer as to why they've chosen not to support Proposition 2, all I received was snide remarks and avoidance. Not smart or professional at all. In fact, they seem like quite the joke. I guess they are more of a social club who makes decisions about an important vote without doing their homework and then pushes that decision on the community (via street signs and phone calls to parents). I believe the public deserves a valid answer as to why they've taken their position. Unfortunately, they can't provide one. It makes me ponder if I should even bother to support the PTA in the future (as I have in the past with both my time and money). They certainly don't seem to be making decisions in the best interest of our children. It is all quite sad.
Dawn-Marie Bailey May 21, 2013 at 10:53 am
Last night, I had quite the email exchange with members of the PTA Executive Committee. Not onlyRead More could they NOT provide me with an answer as to why they've chosen not to support Proposition 2, all I received was snide remarks and avoidance. Not smart or professional at all. In fact, they seem like quite the joke. I guess they are more of a social club who makes decisions about an important vote without doing their homework and then pushes that decision on the community (via street signs and phone calls to parents). I believe the public deserves a valid answer as to why they've taken their position. Unfortunately, they can't provide one. It makes me ponder if I should even bother to support the PTA in the future (as I have in the past with both my time and money). They certainly don't seem to be making decisions in the best interest of our children. Now, this morning, I hear that the PTA is telling people that they are opposed to Proposition 2 in order to keep "special interest groups" from taking over. How can parents in this community, whose children are in the system, who want to make positive change for those children, be a "special interest group"? It blows my mind, how in politics, people can twist things so badly to meet their own agendas. It is all quite sad.
Laja May 21, 2013 at 11:12 am
By the way, I am not in any way associated or affiliated with any union... If you and your groupRead More are not affiliated with TaxPac then you should know that the platform Tampellini and Hartman support, along with the sudden urgent need for 2 more board seats, is taken straight from the TaxPac play book. You can agree with them, as that is your right BUT you must also know where their rhetoric originates and educate yourselves as to what TaxPac as a group wants here on Long Island. If the TaxPac agenda was above board and positive for LI communities there would be no need for them to sneak around and attempt to gain entry into communities through back-door maneuvers like the sudden need for 2 more seats...when Fusco couldn't get in last year either..... At least know that you are being played.
Devil's Advocate May 21, 2013 at 10:21 am
No agenda? That's a joke, right? Vote for Behar and Egan. Keep TAXPAC out of Commack.
Concerned Commackian May 21, 2013 at 07:42 am
Steve Hartman is the clear choice over Jarrett Behar. Behar is just another "insider"Read More enamored with that status quo. His wife is a guidance counselor in another district, so it should come as no surprise that he sees nothing broken. Elect a fresh face with valuable community leadeship experience and no agenda. Vote Hartman
Dawn-Marie Bailey May 21, 2013 at 08:19 am
Last night, I had quite the email exchange with members of the PTA Executive Committee. Not onlyRead More could they NOT provide me with an answer as to why they've chosen not to support Proposition 2, all I received was snide remarks and avoidance. Not smart or professional at all. In fact, they seem like quite the joke. I guess they are more of a social club who makes decisions about an important vote without doing their homework and then pushes that decision on the community (via street signs and phone calls to parents). I believe the public deserves a valid answer as to why they've taken their position. Unfortunately, they can't provide one. It makes me ponder if I should even bother to support the PTA in the future (as I have in the past with both my time and money). They certainly don't seem to be making decisions in the best interest of our children. It is all quite sad.
Commackvoter May 20, 2013 at 10:24 pm
I know what the word increase means! You mentioned it above about insurance rates going up. You seeRead More when a member of the BOE gives his kid a job in the district, then that adult child (24 yrs) takes a 15 yr old student to a hotel for sex and gets arrested, then our insurance company has to pay to settle the lawsuit, dont you think our insurance rates go up John. Sure you dont believe it - Read all about it http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/cops-commack-hs-coach-faces-sex-abuse-charges-1.1711455 Time to break up this 5 member coffee clotch and their you scratch my back I will scratch yours.
John Smith May 20, 2013 at 10:12 pm
Can I ask you an honest question? I hope this doesn't sound to condescending because I really amRead More curious. Do you understand what the word "increase" means?
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COM-MOM May 22, 2013 at 10:02 pm
Just asking. Coincidence that your Commack Patch Penn name is LaJa short for Laura James? Anyway,Read More in your infinite wisdom can you please explain why we needed to hire a $106,000 admin. from Center Moriches? Do we not have admins within the Commack School District who are qualified for the position? No one was eligible for a promotion?
Laja May 22, 2013 at 09:51 pm
Well yesterday I was Peter Wunsch so today I guess I can be Dr. James's wife. Any choices forRead More tomorrow?
COM-MOM May 22, 2013 at 09:39 pm
P.S. LaJa. Is LaJa short for Laura James?? Are you Dr. James' wife??
Concerned Commackian May 20, 2013 at 03:45 pm
Im concerned with the rate of spending increases. You cant talk your way around them no matter howRead More hard you try. And as to this "district has no control" argument, thats a cop out and you know it. While the state tells the district what percentage of salary it must pay into the retirement system, if the district had done a more effective job of limiting the growth in compensation, not only would salary expense been lower, but the amount paid into the retirement system would have been lower as well. And John, care to calculate how much the additional state aid to the district this year lowered the levy? Im sure you dont.
John Smith May 20, 2013 at 02:19 pm
Or you could think about how spending is going up over 4% (the majority of which is fueled by costsRead More that are mandated by law -- Teachers' and Employee's Retirement and Insurance contributions -- over which the School District has no control), but the tax levy is only going up 2.91%, which means the School District -- gasp -- might be doing a good job finding alternative sources of funding other than the taxpayers. Again, look at the info for yourself, not through the eyes of a biased Tampellini/Hartman/Tax Pac supporter.