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Locals Protest Commack Hess Before Smithtown Board of Zoning Appeals

Hess Corporation seeks 17 variances for its plans to build a 12-pump Hess Express on the corner of Jericho Turnpike and Harned Road.

Commack residents came out in force against Hess's efforts to build a new station in what many called the most dangerous intersection of their community.

More than 20 local residents, business owners, community leaders and elected officials spoke out Tuesday night against Hess's request for 17 zoning variances from Town of Smithtown's Board of Zoning Appeals to build a 12-pump Hess Express on the corner of Jericho Turnpike and Harned Road. 

"This is one of the most complex and dangerous intersections in town. That's why this application is so ill-conceived," said Commack resident Matt Pachman. 

Hess seeks the variances to construct a 12-pump filling station with a 1,230-square-foot Hess Express on the former site of the Shell Gas Station, which closed in March 2004, and the adjacent shade shop. The variances seek to increase in its convenience store size, reduce its distance from roadway intersection to increasing the number of permitted signs, and more. 

A change of property's zoning from Whole Sale Industry to Neighborhood Business was , but is under contention of a lawsuit filed by businesses and local residents.  

"The proposed use will serve the needs of the community and general public for gasoline and convenience items," said Eugene DiNicola, a Sayville-based attorney representing Hess. 

Locals pointed out that re-opening a large gas station will result in increased traffic, difficulty of fuel tankers getting on site, safety concerns due to the proximity to a nearby five-way intersection during the four-hour public hearing.

Paul Richards, a Smithtown resident and real estate developer, said Hess's attempts to compare this site to its existing gas stations was unfair as the five-way intersection makes it a "unique corner." He said the annual rate of 25 accidents a year, cited by Hess, was likely to increase if Hess is allowed to build. 

"We don't want fatalities, more than one accident is too many," Richards said. 

Christopher Robinson, a engineer for RMS engineering, testified for Hess that a traffic study conducted in October 2011 showed more than 70 percent of customers at nearby Hess stations' are passers-by drivers. 

"The majority of traffic is already on the roadway network," Robinson said concluding the result is a "imperceptible difference." 

Commack homeowners Jonathan and Kathy Bacchi, Edward and Janice Fiorvanti, said Hess's plans to build a two-lane access road to allow customers to reach the station, The Spare Rib, M.J. Kim State Farm Insurance and the podiatrist office from Harned Road is an issue. The access road will bring cars roughly 50 feet from their homes. 

"All of the lights, noice from cars going back and forth, will have a direct impact on my clients. Light pollution, noise pollution and quality of air with additional cars idling on the site," said Andrea Tsoukalas, a Uniondale-based attorney representing the residents. 

Hess plans to have gas tankers and other delivery trucks come up Harned Road  – a road residents argue has little truck traffic right now – and make a right turn in, before exiting on Jericho Turnpike. 

Neighboring business owners M.J. Kim and Rudy Massa are also taking issue with Hess's proposed plans and requested variances. 

"All of these variances coming at my personal expense," Kim said. 

The insurance agency owner, located on the intersection for 20 years, said Hess's proposed driveways would reduce his business's driveway, reducing accessibility and creating a hazard for customers coming off Jericho. In addition, Hess's canopy over its gas pumps and large signs would reduce its business's visibility. 

"It's about signs and visibility on Jericho Turnpike. If you let them put signs there, I'm going to put signs out there too. Let's keep it fair," Kim said. 

Others warned the BZA to think twice before granting 17 variances to Hess, warning it might set a dangerous precedent. 

"It will set a precedent every other applicant will ask for. They will try to go to the limit as well. You will begin the process of turning Jericho Turnpike into the next Hempstead Turnpike," said Assemblyman Michael Fitzpatrick, R-St. James. 

Many suggested that there would be less intense use of the property that would be better suited for the area. 

"The sheer number of gas stations and convenience stores on Jericho Turnpike are of no benefit to community residents. Within a half mile, there are three gas stations with convenience stores," said Bruce Ettenberg, president of Commack Civic Association. "The added intensity of traffic is to the detriment of residents." 

However Hess refuted this idea, as traffic engineer Robinson said a bank with a drive-thru window or retail store would generate double the amount of traffic as a gasoline station like Hess. 

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Dawn-Marie Bailey May 21, 2013 at 08:18 am
Last night, I had quite the email exchange with members of the PTA Executive Committee. Not onlyRead More could they NOT provide me with an answer as to why they've chosen not to support Proposition 2, all I received was snide remarks and avoidance. Not smart or professional at all. In fact, they seem like quite the joke. I guess they are more of a social club who makes decisions about an important vote without doing their homework and then pushes that decision on the community (via street signs and phone calls to parents). I believe the public deserves a valid answer as to why they've taken their position. Unfortunately, they can't provide one. It makes me ponder if I should even bother to support the PTA in the future (as I have in the past with both my time and money). They certainly don't seem to be making decisions in the best interest of our children. It is all quite sad.
Dawn-Marie Bailey May 21, 2013 at 10:53 am
Last night, I had quite the email exchange with members of the PTA Executive Committee. Not onlyRead More could they NOT provide me with an answer as to why they've chosen not to support Proposition 2, all I received was snide remarks and avoidance. Not smart or professional at all. In fact, they seem like quite the joke. I guess they are more of a social club who makes decisions about an important vote without doing their homework and then pushes that decision on the community (via street signs and phone calls to parents). I believe the public deserves a valid answer as to why they've taken their position. Unfortunately, they can't provide one. It makes me ponder if I should even bother to support the PTA in the future (as I have in the past with both my time and money). They certainly don't seem to be making decisions in the best interest of our children. Now, this morning, I hear that the PTA is telling people that they are opposed to Proposition 2 in order to keep "special interest groups" from taking over. How can parents in this community, whose children are in the system, who want to make positive change for those children, be a "special interest group"? It blows my mind, how in politics, people can twist things so badly to meet their own agendas. It is all quite sad.
Laja May 21, 2013 at 11:12 am
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Devil's Advocate May 21, 2013 at 10:21 am
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Concerned Commackian May 21, 2013 at 07:42 am
Steve Hartman is the clear choice over Jarrett Behar. Behar is just another "insider"Read More enamored with that status quo. His wife is a guidance counselor in another district, so it should come as no surprise that he sees nothing broken. Elect a fresh face with valuable community leadeship experience and no agenda. Vote Hartman
Dawn-Marie Bailey May 21, 2013 at 08:19 am
Last night, I had quite the email exchange with members of the PTA Executive Committee. Not onlyRead More could they NOT provide me with an answer as to why they've chosen not to support Proposition 2, all I received was snide remarks and avoidance. Not smart or professional at all. In fact, they seem like quite the joke. I guess they are more of a social club who makes decisions about an important vote without doing their homework and then pushes that decision on the community (via street signs and phone calls to parents). I believe the public deserves a valid answer as to why they've taken their position. Unfortunately, they can't provide one. It makes me ponder if I should even bother to support the PTA in the future (as I have in the past with both my time and money). They certainly don't seem to be making decisions in the best interest of our children. It is all quite sad.
Commackvoter May 20, 2013 at 10:24 pm
I know what the word increase means! You mentioned it above about insurance rates going up. You seeRead More when a member of the BOE gives his kid a job in the district, then that adult child (24 yrs) takes a 15 yr old student to a hotel for sex and gets arrested, then our insurance company has to pay to settle the lawsuit, dont you think our insurance rates go up John. Sure you dont believe it - Read all about it http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/cops-commack-hs-coach-faces-sex-abuse-charges-1.1711455 Time to break up this 5 member coffee clotch and their you scratch my back I will scratch yours.
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Can I ask you an honest question? I hope this doesn't sound to condescending because I really amRead More curious. Do you understand what the word "increase" means?
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Just asking. Coincidence that your Commack Patch Penn name is LaJa short for Laura James? Anyway,Read More in your infinite wisdom can you please explain why we needed to hire a $106,000 admin. from Center Moriches? Do we not have admins within the Commack School District who are qualified for the position? No one was eligible for a promotion?
Laja May 22, 2013 at 09:51 pm
Well yesterday I was Peter Wunsch so today I guess I can be Dr. James's wife. Any choices forRead More tomorrow?
COM-MOM May 22, 2013 at 09:39 pm
P.S. LaJa. Is LaJa short for Laura James?? Are you Dr. James' wife??
Concerned Commackian May 20, 2013 at 03:45 pm
Im concerned with the rate of spending increases. You cant talk your way around them no matter howRead More hard you try. And as to this "district has no control" argument, thats a cop out and you know it. While the state tells the district what percentage of salary it must pay into the retirement system, if the district had done a more effective job of limiting the growth in compensation, not only would salary expense been lower, but the amount paid into the retirement system would have been lower as well. And John, care to calculate how much the additional state aid to the district this year lowered the levy? Im sure you dont.
John Smith May 20, 2013 at 02:19 pm
Or you could think about how spending is going up over 4% (the majority of which is fueled by costsRead More that are mandated by law -- Teachers' and Employee's Retirement and Insurance contributions -- over which the School District has no control), but the tax levy is only going up 2.91%, which means the School District -- gasp -- might be doing a good job finding alternative sources of funding other than the taxpayers. Again, look at the info for yourself, not through the eyes of a biased Tampellini/Hartman/Tax Pac supporter.