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Residents Oppose Hess Convenience Store

Vecchio says he will not support the application.

Tensions ran high at Thursday night's Smithtown Town Board Meeting, as more than 20 residents spoke publicly in opposition of the gas station and convenience store, citing safety and traffic concerns.

For a second time, the Hess company is seeking a zoning change that would allow for a gas station with a convenience store at the corner of the five-way intersection on Jericho Turnpike and Harned Road. Currently, an abandoned Shell station sits on the property.

“Commack needs another convenience store like it needs a hole in the head.” said Jeanette Salvito, Vice President of the Commack Community Association, who has lived in Commack for more than 50 years. 

Other speakers echoed Salvito's point.

“There are four gas station within a half mile of the site. Four gas stations. How many do we need? How much coffee do people need to drink?” said Daniel O’Brien, a 52-year resident of Commack, whose son’s car was totaled in the intersection back when the Shell station was in operation.

The proposed plan calls for the existing building to be razed and replaced with a 1,230 square-foot convenience store. Twelve gas pumps would be installed—eight more than Shell's four pumps.

Residents are concerned the increase in pumps as well as the increased retail space will bring an influx of traffic to an already high-volume intersection.

“Hess oil will not erect a four-pump station to replace the old four-pump station that Shell operated years ago," said Kathleen Albrecht, on behalf of Seventh Assembly District Assemblyman Michael Fitzpatrick, R–Smithtown. "The application for a 12-pump filling station with a convenience store where a much smaller operation once existed today maybe not be the best use of the property where the safety of motorists and pedestrians is considered."

Albrecht, a resident of Smithown, then offered her own testimony.

“I have over 30 years of driving experience. I have never had a car accident or a ticket, and I myself have gotten confused at that intersection especially at night coming off Sunken Meadow parkway. I would ask you take into consideration the safety of the residents of Smithtown and deny this application.”

Commack Fire District volunteer, Ed Monahan, attested to the amount of accidents that occur on Jericho and Harned, saying, "I've cut many people out of cars at that intersection."

Patrick Fazio, Commissioner for Commack Fire District addressed the Board as well. “If its approved, a year from now, you’ll regret it," he said.

“I estimate 30,000 cars a month will enter and exit this station, said Smithtown resident Paul Richards, who himself has developed gas stations on Long Island for more than 25 years. "Members of the board are going to tell me that 30,000 cars a month going in and out of this  service station is not going to be a recipe for more accidents? [They] are living in a fantasy land."

"Twenty five accidents a year is too much, Richards said. "Is anyone going to take credit or stand up and be responsible if there are 30 or 40? No one is going to."

Rudy Massa, who has owned on Jericho Turnpike for more than 40 years, presented a petition with more than 1,800 signatures from the community opposing the Hess Express.

Vecchio then gave his statement.

"I did not vote for this application two years ago," Vecchio said. "These folks here will not impress me to change my vote or support my effort. I have heard nothing hear to change my mind. I will still hold that I will not support this application."

The  zoning change must still go before the town board to determine the future of the property.  

Additional reporting by Hauppauge Patch Editor Sara Walsh.

John Jay March 7, 2012 at 07:42 pm
One more point I'd lile to make we are all wasting time our time. The townboard doesn't read these blogs. They could care less what we say, There decision will be made among themselves, And word out there is Hess will be denied once again, Having attended the meeting 2 weeks ago a denial is exactly what the hess accusatory, rude and unprofessional attorney deserves.
momof3 March 7, 2012 at 07:48 pm
DFUSCO- Are you being truthful by saying the Boycott posts should not have been deleted? Then again after reading your posts I'm really not surprised! Your character was shown and quite frankly character is very important. I just hope someone doesn't slander your children one day or your wife or a friend or anybody you deem reputable. Being passionate about something is wonderful but when it is for the wrong reasons, perhaps your own agenda then that is very distasteful. I think everyone has heard enough from you, Jonathan and the rest of the crew, or maybe each name i mentioned is all the same person? who knows- just women's intuition i guess?! Maybe now that this is winding down here, you can divulge your time on other Eyesore's in the Commack area? I'm not sure if you've shown any interest elsewhere, but maybe it's time you do. I'm sure your passion will be appreciated anywhere else. Maybe you can even find somebody else to blame instead of Rudy? Thank you. Also a word to Jonathan... I was coincidentally in Home Depot on 4 separate occasions this week ... It's funny I failed to hear or see anybody discussing Rudy. I guess it just happened when i left.
DFUSCO March 7, 2012 at 07:57 pm
Yep that extra 50 feet the other gas station has before they need to turn into it makes all the difference in the world right? plus throw in all the lefts going in and coming of that other one at the same time - it seems the Hess plan is a much safer one
All the oil companies have skin in the Venezuelan oil game - have you bought a tv, computer, ipad, cellphone, pot, pan, shirt,etc,etc lately, Your supporting communist China who is building up their military to fight someone - thanks for supporting them. Stick to the issue -200 additional square feet to a Hess mini mart
DFUSCO March 7, 2012 at 08:06 pm
that's because they deleted half of the posts!!!
Shawn Hager March 7, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Wow... Rudy's some celebrity then! In case you haven't noticed... the Commack Patch has acknowledged who is inappropriate in this case. This is a huge step that clearly displays that you are going against the natural tendency of any law abiding citizen. I'm still very confused... how can you say you don't have an agenda in this? You keep commenting your same rants that consist of incorrect facts, slanderous material, and degrading comments towards every member of our community who have spoken out because of horrible accidents they have been a part of, or seen, at that intersection. Stop making light of the fact that there is a danger, and stop blaming Rudy who quite frankly has nothing to do with these comments.
John Gruber March 7, 2012 at 10:39 pm
usually it's the persons who comments are deleted that tend to be slanderous, false and degrading...also, the thought that rudy is the "mastermind" behind the denial of a hess station, when there are 2-3 others RIGHT BY HIM is as idiotic as any boycott
philpp March 8, 2012 at 03:13 am
you really have to get a life - maybe a job, etc... all your posts are personal attacks against one person?? Yet you wonder why your posts are being deleted by the patch? Please get a clue and stop your nasty posts - anyone who has read this forum knows your position...
chefcristo March 8, 2012 at 03:24 am
hey defusco, you should have used your freebie coffee card if only to see the mini mart.....spotless, nice people, good selection. delicious coffee, especially since it was free! even bought a bottle of juice for $2.....hey, and i used the same discover card i used to pay for gas....and guess what? SAME PRICE, CASH OR CREDIT. QUOTE ME IN YOUR NEXT PATCH COMMENT BOX!
james11725 March 8, 2012 at 03:35 am
All you cash credit same price people seemed to have zeroed in one station as the villain... Take a look at the Mobil on the corner of Old Willets and Jericho
CASH PRICE: $3.899 CREDIT PRICE: $4.399 a mere 50 cents more for credit Maybe you folks might want to realize there is more than one station in Commack charging the two price system.... Like Bob's, Harned Road Shell, Performance Fuels, US Petroleum, Sunoco Car Wash and the Mobil with the 50 cent spread...
billyst March 8, 2012 at 03:55 am
All the stations take discover... not just Hess.
DFUSCO March 8, 2012 at 03:58 am
PATCH- The time might have come for you to shut down this forum, if you are going to arbitrarily delete posts that make no personal attacks. Some of the most mundane posts have been removed - really taints the picture being painted.
chefcristo March 8, 2012 at 04:25 am
defusco, i disagree with you often, but you often hit the nail on the head. please make your statements known, but don't be mean when presenting them. i personally am rather immune to most offensiveness, but there are others whose sensitivies are more acute. please consider that when you express future opinions.
this is not addressed not only to you, but also to others whose presentation of opinions might be expressed in a hurtful manner.
chefcristo March 8, 2012 at 04:30 am
john gruber, just for the record, verbal comments can be considered slander..written comments, libel.
diana March 8, 2012 at 04:45 am
I have been a resident for thirty years. When I moved to Commack I remember god awful accidents on the corner of harned and jericho. It has been a long time since I have seen such accidents. The only change on that corner has been the closing of the gas station. Please do not bring back a gas station to this site.
chefcristo March 8, 2012 at 12:57 pm
DIANA, you're so right. NO GAS STATION, and this is NOT in defense of rudy or any other station owner within proximity. it simply makes sense with traffic being such as it is. a beautiful, tranquil war memorial park honoring current and past service personnel is perfect for that spot. add some trees and benches...a touch of class as opposed to more non-descript gas pumps and convenience joint. and, add a sign of commack pride: WELCOME TO COMMACK, THE ALL- AMERICAN HAMLET.
John Gruber March 8, 2012 at 01:32 pm
the monument will only cost money the town doesn't have, especially with so many vacant properties needing upkeep AND a war memorial down the street not to mention a whole highway dedicated to them (not downplaying our service men and women's sacrifice, just saying their other logical choices). just throw in a small business and be done with it, traffic is and always will be dangerous at that intersection with or without another business there
chefcristo March 8, 2012 at 02:17 pm
JOHN GRUBER, surely the town can "FIND" the $ for such a noble cause! no gas station, convenience store,NO BUSINESS...just a tranquil memorial to those who gave and are giving so much of themselves to KEEP AMERICA SAFE. WELCOME TO COMMACK, THE ALL-AMERICAN HAMLET.
John Gruber March 8, 2012 at 10:07 pm
http://commack.patch.com/articles/reader-feedback-suffolk-s-fiscal-crisis-poll
looka like they can use your help finding all the money they can lol again, we have EXACTLY what you just described, down the street. a business SHOULD go there, just not another frickin gas station
chefcristo March 9, 2012 at 02:06 am
"down the street??????" i assume you mean that decrepit, unkempt, so-called monument on the 347/454 split.....come on john, our armed forces deserve a better memorial than that! NO GAS STATION OR ANY OTHER BUSINESS. A MEMORIAL PARK, a real classy tribute to our service men and women is a neutral and natural solution to this whole issue. WHY DO YOU OPPOSE THIS NOBLE IDEA?
diana March 9, 2012 at 05:13 am
Mr Gruber, did you just call the men and women who put their lives on the line so that you have the liberty to spew your ridiculous comments "them"? Just throw in a business on the corner and be done with it because there will always accidents on that road? Who are you? You should be praising our service men and women and figuring ways to honor them. Shame on you. You should be thinking of ways to keep our residents safe and not foresake safety for money. Shame on you.
John Gruber March 9, 2012 at 05:30 am
I'm not quite sure how you manage to construe my words like that. did you not mention the fact that i pointed out the monument down the street or the highway dedicated to them? and i use "them" because it's an informal forum, not to devaule what they do so please do not turn me into the enemy. and when the county is running a big of deficit as it is, any money has to be spent wisely unless you want your taxes to increase to pay for the monument then by all means. secondly, accidents happen because people can't drive and i do not believe yet another gas station will not change the flow of traffic significantly enough. to cause the increase in accidents being predicted, if at all.
chefcristo March 9, 2012 at 10:14 am
JOHN GRUBER,"yet another gas station", or most other retail- type businesses will very obviously affect the traffic flow at harned/jericho adversely and dangerously because of vehicles turning in and out consistently. that's just a phenomenon that WILL happen with the scenario that you describe. please rethink your position on this issue.
John Gruber March 9, 2012 at 05:55 pm
does that mean we close friendly's because of the risk of people getting into accidents is to great to? because that's the argument you're making. obviously there are gonna be accidents I'm not denying that, but then you can make that case for every other busy intersection on jericho (the dunken donuts on vets/harned, larkfield and jericho, townline and jericho etc) . BUSINESSES DON'T CAUSE ACCIDENTS PEOPLE CAUSE ACCIDENTS
chefcristo March 9, 2012 at 06:04 pm
JOHN JAY..............RIGHT ON ALL COUNTS! TOWN BOARD NOT READING OUR BLOGS,COULDN'T CARE LESS, DECISION MADE AMONG THEMSELVES, HESS BEING DENIED DESERVEDLY, RUDE UNPROFESSIONAL ATTORNEY!
chefcristo March 9, 2012 at 06:15 pm
JOHN GRUBER, you have a "half-good arguement." any turnoffs to or from jericho is a potential accident waiting to happen...BUT...the other businesses you cite are not directly across the street from the SAG, and right on jericho simultaneously, a more accident-prone location than you describe.
DFUSCO March 10, 2012 at 01:37 am
PATCH EDITOR - The Patch has not re posted the deleted posts that were not insulting. I have deleted all my posts in protest and would urge all others to do the same - you can comment on your own stories if you like ours!!! So much for freedom of the press and free speech
chefcristo March 14, 2012 at 11:52 am
MIKE COMMACK check out the front page of NEWSDAY, MARCH 14, 2012...THIS IS WHERE IT WILL LEAD. EXTRA FOR CREDIT IS GOING TO CREEP TO THIS LEVEL...AND IT WON'T TAKE TOO MUCH LONGER TO DO SO ON A VERY WIDESPREAD BASIS. IT HAS TO STOP NOW AND ALTOGETHER! SAME PRICE, CASH OR CREDIT.
Mike Commack March 14, 2012 at 01:15 pm
Chef, These issues have been around for years and most stores charge what amounts to the difference in cost incurred for credit charges. The fact that newsday makes this page one makes me question whether newsday is worth paying cash or credit for anymore. I wish newsday would actually start writing about real issues in an intelligent and thoughtful way. They could simply have read the commack patch. I have no issue with pointing out those obvious stations who charge a dollar more per gallon but I know alot of business people who resent how much it costs them to process credit. This is truly the scam that no-one talks about. 1-3% of all transactions are paid to the credit card companies. Trillions of dollars. When the Gov't loans money to banks virtually at no charge and they can card interest rates to consumers from 6 to 25% why doesn't newsday put that on page one. Why doesn't the Guv launch a gold star panel into that? They used to have a term for it usury. In my view the big boys, banks and credit card processors can rip off consumers with impunity. Most stations make very little in terms of profit margins on gas (about 2-3 %). The nationals can destroy the little guys at will should they choose. I saw the Pres of Gulf on msnbc say that customers using the mini-marts essentially double the profit margin. That's why these big mini-mart gas stations are being built.
Gigi March 23, 2012 at 12:48 pm
I think this would be a great idea!
SueDit July 22, 2012 at 09:30 pm
The fact is that gas is high and most homes have 2 or more cars. There is plenty of business to go around and competition is good for the customers who are stuck paying for this necessity as on LI there are not many alternatives to driving. I like the fact too, that Hess does not charge extra for credit cards which follows NY state law.
Too many gas stations get around it by saying they "discount for cash".

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