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Board of Ed Candidates Tackle Hot Issues

Dan Fusco, Deborah Guber answer the public's questions on hot issues at Meet the Candidate night.

Commacks' two Board of Education candidate went head-to-head, answering tough questions on the hottest issues from budget cuts to Marion Carll Farm on Thursday night.

More than 100 residents attended Commack PTA Council's Meet the Candidate night on Thursday at Mandracchia-Sawmill Elementary School. Incumbent trustee Deborah Guber took the stage with challenger Dan Fusco to answer the public's questions on the hottest topics in the Commack community.

Guber, of Dix Hills, serves as the Board of Education's vice president and has been a member of the board for six years. She has two children within the Commack School District and works as a practicing attorney, also with a degree in accounting from Baruch College, according to the budget issue of the Commack Courrier.

Fusco, of East Northport, is a lifelong Commack resident who graduated from the school district in 1983. He has two children within the school district, students of Commack Middle School and Commack High School. As a surety consultant and project manager, Fusco feels he has many skills he can bring to the table for the Commack School district.

Here are a select transcript of a few of the many questions answered by candidates on Thursday night:

Q: "If the adopted budget doesn't pass on the first go around, what areas would be the first to be cut?

Guber: "That is not something one individual makes a decision on. We are a board and operate as a unit. If it didn't pass, we consider by what degree it didn't pass. Sometimes, there are circumstances not related to the budget itself. For example, bad weather doesn't bring people out to vote. We would have to see if the budget, as it stood, was really the budget we felt the community would support. We would have to go back to the table as a unit, not one individual."

Fusco: "If the budget would fail, we would have to look to contractual employees to think of asking them for give backs, not to take contractual raises they've enjoyed for the past several years.

I'm not anti-teachers. I think a school is made up of two things - teachers and students. Teachers should be paid fairly and equitably, fair to the teacher and fair to the community. In this economic atmosphere, our teachers are paid very well and they should look to give back some of the benefits they have built up over the past few years. There has to be some give and take."

Q: "What top three areas of savings would you concentrate on for next year?

Guber: "Savings is a two-way street. We can shrink our expenses or increase our revenues. There are several areas to increase revenues. We are instituting a special education summer program which will take in 80 students from other districts and generate revenue for us, costing less than to have our children go out to other districts.... (I lost my train of thought)."

"The energy efficiency program we have coming in will bring in $18 million worth of high-tech renovations to the school district and generate $700,000 of income. [I would] combine this with 0-based budgeting and looking to squeeze the bottom line."

Fusco: "We need to renegotiate some of the contracts. There are three that are up this year: secretaries, teachers' aides - the only ones who have take a cut in pay - and the administrative contracts.

We have a community affairs division, or personnel, that costs us $250,000 a year. If you look at what they do, it's to interact and coordinate with volunteer organizations. It doesn't seem right spending $250,000 to have a person interact with volunteer services. Maybe we can get a volunteer... "

Q: "Do you believe transparency should be part of the budget process?

Fusco: "I believe the budget should be more transparent than it is today. I have attended all of the budget meeting. I consider myself a fairly intelligent guy. I work on multi-million dollar projects every day, spread sheets, and budget. I do all the things I would think someone on this board should understand and I could not follow the budget presentations.

Many of the people I've spoken to, and I've spoken to hundreds through my campaign, the consensus is that it's not easy to follow. They get confused and consider it a waste of time because they don't understand. I want everyone to come to school board meetings and understand what happens."

Guber: "The budget process has become more transparent than every. We have worked with the current administration to crystallized what our expenditures are, how we decide what they are, what revenue sources we have and what we have done to increase and bring in more revenue sources.

Our structures are in line with New York State Department of Education requires. We offer more than New York State requires and with that, our administrators are all open, residents can reach out to them with questions and concerns."

Q: "Will you support this year's school budget?"

Guber: "Indeed, I will."

Fusco: "I honestly don't think I can support a budget that offer raises to the staff and cuts program to kids. I can't support something like that. I would say... I can't support it, but if the other voters say that is the will of the voters - it is what it is.

I think we need to negotiate more on this budget. We need to have people come to the table to give back, and maybe not take some raises this year or the next couple of years. Let's get back on our feet. Restore the programs to all the kids. I want to see music, arts, and I want to see after-school programs restored for the kids.

No, I can't support the budget as it stands right now."

Q: "Do you think the school board acted responsibly with preservation of Marion Carll Farm and how do you suggest we move forward?

Fusco: "I don't think the board acted responsibly with Marion Carll Farm. This is a property that was owned by one of the founding matriarchs of this community from the 1600s this family lived in this community. Ms. Carll was instrumental in starting the school district, she felt so strongly about the school district when she passed she willed a 10-acre farm to this school district. This school district basically let it sit there and rot for the last 15 years. I don't think that was responsible.

You ask yourself, who would give your house to you pass? Would you give to your heirs or would you give to the community? Most of you would say you would give it to your children before you give it to the community.

This woman felt so strongly about this community, the education system of this community, she gave 10 acres of historical property to this school district.

Guber: "We had the property. Ms. Carl, yes indeed was a phenomenal woman and a founding member of the school district. Her gifting us her estate, that was a wonderful thing. We are a school district. We are mandated to spend our money to educate the students. Had Ms. Carl made a provision where she provided an income string to the Board of Ed, that would have certainly enabled the boards of ed who sat well before any of us to maintain and make repairs to that house.

As far back as the 70s, PTAs and the community was resistant to any money being spent on that property. They felt money should be spent on children. While we are grateful for her bequest, it became a large albatross and one we tried to seek remedies to and preserve in some way."

Q: "Our district's allowable tax cap levy is 4.1 percent. Our Board of Ed chose to present 2.6 percent, do you feel decreasing it by 1.5 percent is fiscally responsible?"

Guber: "Yes. We decided as part of our process, realizing we could go up to 4.1 and still only require a 50 percent majority. We took into consideration financial burden and strain on this community, and it is fiscally prudent to put up a number - 2.6 - that maintain the quality program we have, still maintain class size that is very important to this community.

Everyone still has music, art, gym all of those things are still in place. We have not programs. We restructured some of the classes and all of tha tis there, and 2.6 does that for us and still considers the needs of the community."

Fusco: "I think the question you are asking is should we have raised the levy to 4.1 percent instead of 2.6. My position is we didn't need to raise it to 2.6. If you look at the budgets of the last few years, this community, or school district is continuously runs on a surplus. Last year's budget was $160 million, they only spent in this school district $154 million. The next year they came back and asked us for $166 million. They saved $6 million, but they asked us for more. They came back and said we need $6 million more than we budgeted last year. That's a $12 million spread.

What we're seeing in this district , we are being taxed the year before for the purposes of using that money the following year for the purpose of keeping these numbers artificially low."

For more information on the candidates and questions answer, see pages 7 and 8 of the budget issue of the Commack Courier.

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Vote Yes May 14, 2012 at 01:11 am
Michael,: I beleive that those PTA parents have a right to ask questions of the candidates. Mr. Fusco lied and said he atteended a BOE meeting and was the only one there that NEVER happened perhaps he was there on the wrong night. If Mr. Fusco did attend all of those BOE meeting like he stated then why is he not fully aware of the ESCO project, or that the bus company opened up their contract to us when they did not have to, or that the bus company obtained new software that has made the bus routes faster and more efficient and that school buses can not pick up children walking home just because they are not full. He is not even sure of what an IEP or AIS is. He is voting NO to the budget to help the students he complains about the Grandfriends club and other clubs being cut voting NO will cut everything for these students. How is he helping the students when he is voting NO?????????
Lisa May 14, 2012 at 01:50 am
We heard Dan address all those issues. Were you sitting next to the rude PTA crowd? Maybe that's why you did not hear the answers. He also said he could not support a budget that included raises and additional benefits for staff at the expense of student programs.- that is something the PTA should be supporting as well.
Vote Yes May 14, 2012 at 02:15 am
Lisa, He klnew nothing about these issues if he went to all of the meetings he said he was at he could have answered them like he knew what he was talking about. I do not beleive the PTA crowd was rude they have a right be be upset when they are lied to. Like Dan I am sure that you are not a member of the PTA. The PTA is the largest ADVOCATE for students, maybe if you and Dan ever attended a PTA meeting you would see how we support our children. I think you have it wrong Dan is voting no at the expense of student programs. Does he think if the budget fails programs will come back?
Lisa May 14, 2012 at 02:42 am
I must agree that giving raises to employees and then cutting programs does not sit well with me either. Student enrollment is down, the number of teachers is down, but more money is needed? It is for raises. This cannot go on forever. All over LI staff at other districts are agreeing to 0% raises but not here. So we get threatened with draconian cuts to kids programs if we say we can't afford any more. If we stop giving out ridiculous raises, we would have so much more money to use for the benefit of the students,can't the PTA see that?
JD May 14, 2012 at 04:32 am
In 2012, Commack High School was ranked the best high school in Suffolk County, and the 95th best in the country.
JD May 14, 2012 at 04:39 am
hyp·o·crite
noun 1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
JD May 14, 2012 at 04:40 am
JD
12:32 am on Monday, May 14, 2012 In 2012, Commack High School was ranked the best high school in Suffolk County, and the 95th best in the country.
John Gruber May 14, 2012 at 10:43 am
doesn't mean it doesn't have problems that need fixing. And I'm well aware of what a hypocrite is, can't say the same of others however
Paul May 14, 2012 at 01:54 pm
The people who should be the most upset are the members of the Commack PTA. Their organization's members are being used as pawns to do the dirty work of the BOE raising fear in the community that if a budget doesn't pass the schools will be "decimated" by cuts. My wife received her e-mail yesterday. Again, the only threatened cuts are children's programs and "100 Teachers" with no mention of cuts to any administration. The PTA should stand united to demand change and not be bullied into "agreeing" to staff raises or risk "decimation" of their children's education. The PTA's do wonderful things for the children of this district and for them to be abused, like the rest of us, year after year at budget time is unconscionable. Voting NO does not lead to an immediate invocation of an austerity budget, it give the community a voice to say that they don't agree with the BOE handing out lucrative contracts to staff at the expense of our children. It gives the BOE a second chance to revamp the budget and ask for it's approval in a second vote. The budgets, as proposed, are unsustainable. This year we have cuts in student programs, next years budget will need to be larger requiring additional student cuts, the year after will be the same. At some point every one of you may be in a position where you may not be able to afford to stay in your home until graduation day.
Commack Cares May 14, 2012 at 02:23 pm
It makes more sense than telling people to vote down a budget for the kids. Especially when your own remedy is one that the BOE can't do without negotiationg. And by negotiating you mean - the teachers give and the district takes - not the give and take that a negotiation should be. And your reason for this is because your taxes are too high. Well - please remember that your children's teachers don't live in a vaccuum and they pay taxes and mortgages too, and a $100,000 after 15 years on a job is not insane - especially for a state certified professional with at least a Masters Degree (and possibly more). Teaching is not a hobby for these people - it's their career.
I heard Mr. Fusco say that he's got about a 2% raise each of the last 5 years. Would he be willing to take that 2% raise and cut a check to the Commack School District for that amount each year for the next three years. Would you? If so, Dan, put your money where your mouth is. Because that's what your asking these teachers to do by freezing their salary for three years. Take any raise they contractually have and give it to Commack Schools - to pay for our children's programs. These people have their own children and their own school taxes to contend with as well. But you only care about yourself, so I guess I shouldn't expect you to understand. VOTE YES ON THE BUDGET VOTE FOR DEBBIE GUBER KEEP COMMACK SCHOOLS THE GREAT DISTRICT THAT IT IS!!!
JD May 14, 2012 at 02:44 pm
I've previously noted the Fusco supporter baiting and fallacy technique and here's another example
Concerned Comamck Citizen May 14, 2012 at 02:46 pm
I am voting no, but wonder what the message is that I am sending to the board. Do they interpret a failed budget to mean that the taxes are too high and they should cut the budget further? The only thing left to cut is salaries, which means staff. which means programs, unless there is a new teacher contract.
Commack Cares May 14, 2012 at 03:06 pm
Concerned, Unfortunately, you are right. Vote down the budget and they oly thing you accomplish is cutting programs. If that's the message you want to send then go ahead, but me - I'll be voting for the school programs. Vote Yes.
Paul May 14, 2012 at 03:19 pm
You voting NO tells the BOE and employees that you are not satisfied with how things are going. Employees in other districts are seeing the light and renegotiating their contracts to avoid program cuts
John Gruber May 14, 2012 at 03:57 pm
JD, maybe contribute something useful, like explaining this "baiting and fallacy" you're talking about because I'm convinced you have zero clue as to what's going on outside you're little world
John Gruber May 14, 2012 at 03:59 pm
And you have yet to provide a solution for the millions the district is losing. Like I said, keep deflecting as you're constantly being proven wrong
John Gruber May 14, 2012 at 04:06 pm
all you have to do is get rid of these BOE members who ok'd the salaries that are causing these cuts and you won't have to raise the budget so much in the future. Voting yes and for Guber does nothing to fix the problems at hand. And I personally am ok with cutting a few classes until the contracts expire or are renegotiated, and if the classes are cut, it's the BOE fault, not ours
Commack Cares May 14, 2012 at 04:38 pm
John, You keep telling yourself that.
Commack Cares May 14, 2012 at 04:39 pm
Paul - so are the teachers here. They have two years remaining on their contract and are currently trying to negotiate with the district.
JD May 14, 2012 at 04:49 pm
More and more fallacies. Again to others, phraseology of the sentence is key to understanding the reason behind the systematic bullying by Fusco supporters for their political agenda.
See List of Fallacies (There are too many to be listed in one responce, and if I split them up they will only distort it, so here a few examples). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallaciesInformal fallacies Informal fallacies – arguments that are fallacious for reasons other than structural (formal) flaws and which usually require examination of the argument's content.[10] Argument from ignorance (appeal to ignorance, argumentum ad ignorantiam) – assuming that a claim is true (or false) because it has not been proven false (true) or cannot be proven false (true).[11] Argument from repetition (argumentum ad nauseam) – signifies that it has been discussed extensively until nobody cares to discuss it anymore Argument from silence (argumentum e silentio) – where the conclusion is based on silence of opponent, failing to give proof, based on "lack of evidence" Begging the question (petitio principii) – where the conclusion of an argument is implicitly or explicitly assumed in one of the premises[12] (shifting the) Burden of proof (see – onus probandi) – I need not prove my claim, you must prove it is false Circular cause and consequence – where the consequence of the phenomenon is claimed to be its root cause
JD May 14, 2012 at 04:53 pm
And yes, the fallacy explanation was directed at the fallacy perpetuated by John Gruber
JD May 14, 2012 at 04:55 pm
And yes, the fallacy explanation was directed at the fallacy perpetuated by Paul
JD May 14, 2012 at 04:55 pm
And yes, the fallacy explanation was directed at the fallacy perpetuated by "Concerned"
JD May 14, 2012 at 04:58 pm
And yes, Fusco supporters will try and post another fallacy about our kids, teachers,budget and accomplishments to fit an agenda.
John Gruber May 14, 2012 at 06:00 pm
oh, so electing the same person who helped us go millions of dollars in debt (5.2 I believe is what Jim said, and he had facts to back it up) is gonna help the problem? You keep telling yourself that. And if it's not the BOE's fault that to much money is tied into salaries, please tell me, whose is it
John Gruber May 14, 2012 at 06:03 pm
JD, is the weather in your little world as nice as it is in the real one? You have nothing to back up what you claim to be false other than just saying it's false. all of us who are against the current BOE have FACTS as to way they need to go. But I guess they're only facts, right?
John Gruber May 14, 2012 at 06:05 pm
to JD and Commack Cares, how do you suggest fixing the fact that the district is losing money if you chose not to change the people who helped cause this problem?
John Gruber May 14, 2012 at 06:19 pm
and I'm not pro-Fusco, I'm anti-Guber. And there is a difference
John Gruber May 14, 2012 at 06:21 pm
apparently if you don't agree with it, it must be false, despite whatever facts show otherwise. I almost feel bad for your ignorance
mfusk May 15, 2012 at 01:34 pm
You need somebody who will address the issue with all the districts on the Island and what better place to start than in Commack. We're in a viscous cycle and the only brain to see this right now is Governor Cuomo. He is trying to Cap property taxes. Teachers and Police need cost of living increases every year because property taxes rise so much each year, because teachers and Police receive cost of living increases because property taxes were raised to give Teachers and Police cost of living raises. Break the Viscous Cycle so we can get our Communities back. You don't have to worry about Commack being #1 on Long Island and #109 in the US. Good Teachers will teach in their communities that they can afford to live in because they Love Teaching and not just so they can make a quick buck and milk the system. Police should police the communities they live in because they love their job and not just so they can make a quick buck and milk the system. This is the platform you run on! Get your Communities back people!
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