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School Board, Civics Trade Barbs Over Marion Carll Farm

District residents and the Commack's Board of Education got into heated debate over who, or what is to blame, for inaction of Marion Carll Farm.

As Commack residents and school trustees wait to see what comes next in the Marion Carll Farm lawsuit, tempers are flaring and debates are becoming heated over the historic farm's future.  

Commack residents voiced candid, sometimes critical concerns at the Commack Board of Education's June 14 meeting, questioning the district's response to , who seek to repossess the historic farm from the district on the grounds that the land is not being used as a museum, as outlined in the terms of the deed.

Superintendent Donald James announced the , revealing a 24-page response that claimed budgetary difficulties upkeeping Marion Carll Farm and requested the courts find the property belongs to the district but remove the land's covenant that it serve as a museum and education purposes, while being open to the public. 

Adele Flicker, a board member of Commack Civic Association, questioned the board's motive behind asking the land use requirements be removed. 

"As the voice of Commack and representatives of us, you have not done your job. We have petitions signed by almost 2,500 residents asking you to keep Marion Carll Farm ... Now we are asking you again to support the farm," Flicker said. "Your excuses, most of the residents are not buying. Those aware of what's going on think its just a ruse." 

Bruce Ettenberg, president of the Commack Civic Association, wanted to know why Commack School District did not make any mention of recent plans submitted by the Association for Help of Retarded Children to use the historic farm as a therapeutic equestrian center and educational center in the detailed history of the property submitted to the courts. 

"I would like to know from Dr. James why he left out the fact the Board of Education was in negotiation with the school for mentally challenged children to take over the Marion Carll Farm this winter," Ettenberg asked Thursday night. 

On page 18 of the district's response to the lawsuit, Commack School District states it issued a Request for Proposals in the fall 2011, but states no proposals were received by the Nov. 8, 2011 deadline. 

James did not directly answer why the AHRC's proposal for Marion Carll Farm was not mentioned in the district's response to the lawsuit. The superintendent made clear district will not go forward with negotiating the potential contract while litigation is ongoing. 

"We advised the group facilitated by [Suffolk Leg. John] Kennedy from day one that there was a threat of litigation. Once litigation was in fact filed, it would be foolhardy to fight a two-front war," the district's attorney said. 

Commack school district's attorney said he district could chose to make a contract with the AHRC to lease the Marion Carll Farm propety in the future, contingent on the outcome of the lawsuit, but the board trustees did not want to spend money in legal fees. 

Barbara Kruger, a member of Commack-Kings Park Rotary and Friends of Marion Carll Farm, said she's been trying to get the district to consider the equestrian center for more than a year, working with AHRC, and was frustrated by board trustees answers. 

"It is a viable, real project with real money behind it. Don't say there hasn't been one viable opion," Kruger said. "You could viably create the contract and get it off Commack High School's books and get this working. We have the people to do it." 

Her statement caused the superintendent to admit the equestrian center is a viable project, which is why the district has drafted a preliminary contract for AHRC that is on file at the district's offices. Yet, school officials will not go forward with negotiations. 

"It's unwise to pursue the contract while litigation is pending. If the heirs win, we waste additional legal fees," the district's attorney said. 

Commack School District's attorney said the draft version of the contract between Commack School District and AHRC called for the property to be leased to the non-profit for 10-years, as a tenant with mandatory stipulations requiring them to carry out Marion Carll's will. 

Board President Mary Jo Masciello accused Ettenberg and other members of the civic association of promoting distrust of the Board of the Education's handling of Marion Carll Farm. 

"You have implied mistrust of us from the start. You were never open-minded that we are on the same side of perserving that property and doing the best for this district," Masciello said. "You have implied to people all over this town we should be discredited and we should be sued." 

Commack Civic Association sent letter to Commack School District on June 1 asking for a public forum be held to discuss Marion Carll Farm, or threatening legal action. The group will further discuss issues surrounding the historic farm further 7 p.m Thursday at the . 

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Commackvoter May 19, 2013 at 11:28 am
Yes John Smith, agree that the PTA SHOULD have video taped and posted it somewhere for the communityRead More to view. This is the 21st century and there is no excuse for them not offering this for those who could not attend. Same goes for the CUFSD but at least the law prohibits them from banning taping public meetings.
MJS May 19, 2013 at 10:29 am
It will be interesting to see what Mr. Behar does if he loses, since he is totally opposed to PropRead More 2. So if Prop 2 passes, and he chooses to take advantage of it and run again then in my eyes, and those of the Community, he will reveal himself to be a total Hypocrite. The same would go for Egan, since he too opposes Prop 2.
Retired May 19, 2013 at 08:45 am
Hey John - No one is being slick. You incorrectly assumed that it was suspicious that there was noRead More video tape of the meet the candidates night. I can understand why you would think that but the fact is that the PTA did not allow any video. I wish video could have been done so the community could have seen each candidate themselves and make their own assessment. If you don't believe what I say just contact the PTA and confirm it with them....
MJS May 19, 2013 at 10:29 am
It will be interesting to see what Mr. Behar does if he loses, since he is totally opposed to PropRead More 2. So if Prop 2 passes, and he chooses to take advantage of it and run again then in my eyes, and those of the Community, he will reveal himself to be a total Hypocrite. The same would go for Egan, since he too opposes Prop 2.
Retired May 19, 2013 at 09:52 am
@RL - I agree with term limits, but the law says that can only be proposed by the Board. The publicRead More cannot submit such a proposition. The board, at least the current one, will never agree to that b/c they want to keep themselves in power at any cost. By adding 2 new people Prop 2 may a provide an opportunity to have people on aboard that will consider proposing term limits, as well as other changes. So, yet another reason to Vote YES to Prop 2.
RL May 17, 2013 at 08:08 am
I agree new blood can be used and some new thinking and the way to accomplish that is to vote newRead More faces in. Does having more people create a larger bureaucracy thought. Having served on a number of private, charity and corporate boards I can tell you more is not always the answer. I think term limits would be a better approach. This way you don't have the same though process year after year. Two terms six years seems reasonably to me.
Concerned Commackian May 18, 2013 at 09:18 pm
Commack Parent is right. Its definately a costRead More issue.....BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH!!! Thanks Parent, that was the best chuckle ive had all day!
LINANA May 17, 2013 at 12:28 am
Since past precedence for a number of years has been to send out literature informing ALL residentsRead More (including those with no children in the schools) of candidates bios, does the omission of the bios raise a legal issue? ??? We all pay school taxes and district has the obligation to provide us with this info. Shame on them!!!! Teacher's union is also "encouraging" votes for Egan & Behar and against adding two additional seats to the board. People with a vested interest "encouraging" you to vote a particular way should raise flags!!! Hopefully people will think for themselves and make an informed vote for the candidate they feel will best represent the students & residents of Commack.
Janice May 16, 2013 at 12:08 pm
IT does raise a red flag! I think it IS definitely time to vote for some new folks. I am going toRead More check out Hartman and Tampellini's bios. If I like what I see, I am voting for change
MJS May 19, 2013 at 10:28 am
It will be interesting to see what Mr. Behar does if he loses, since he is totally opposed to PropRead More 2. So if Prop 2 passes, and he chooses to take advantage of it and run again then in my eyes, and those of the Community, he will reveal himself to be a total Hypocrite. The same would go for Egan, since he too opposes Prop 2.
Dawn-Marie Bailey May 15, 2013 at 09:02 pm
Doing my best. Please spread the word. Thanks!
GM May 15, 2013 at 08:30 pm
You go Girl! Spread the word. It's less than a week until we vote and you can quickly educate usingRead More social media.
MJS May 19, 2013 at 12:47 pm
It will be interesting to see what Mr. Behar does if he loses, since he is totally opposed to PropRead More 2. So if Prop 2 passes, and he chooses to take advantage of it and run again then in my eyes, and those of the Community, he will reveal himself to be a total Hypocrite. The same would go for Egan, since he too opposes Prop 2.
ergodic May 16, 2013 at 11:09 am
Hey, PTA, BOE/// try lending a hand///don't criticize things you don't understand///the community isRead More clearly beyond your command///your 100 year road is rapidly aging///and, the times, they are changing. CUFSD has experienced a decline in total enrollment from a peak of 7830 in 2008-09 to 6934 (projected) in 2013-14, a decrease of 11.4%. During that period, spending per pupil increased from $19,759 to $25,871 - an increase of 30.9%. This performance does not reflect well on the financial management capabilities of the BOE. And, is it a surprise that NYSUT is an advocate for the status quo? A more democratic approach to decision-making via a vote for Prop 2 should be helpful.
re May 16, 2013 at 12:01 am
Vote yes for the additional members of the board. Save our schools. Save our schools with fairRead More representation. Join a new taxpayers representation committee at the Commack community assoc effective September 2013. Our next meeting is May 30 at 7pm at the Bristol assisted living community room( next to sears) Do not let this civic group wither away as it would be a victory for the school board that monitors any opposition to the way the district operates.